Awesome reflect damage
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HEll Knight yea,well try cancel him until u remove that buff and than u hit
or use normal hit,not skills
Actually the damage reflect on all skills (HK's 'shield of revenge', GH's 'counterattack' and doombringer's 'eye for an eye') depends on (a) type of skill you are using, (b) your pdef and (c) enemy's p.atk.
If you attack salvatore (noob tank btw xD) with any skill like deadly blow that deals direct damage there is a chance to get a reflect (here it's VERY imbalanced I have never seen a server where reflect is 100% even in backstabs but w/e). In that moment you receive 2 or 3 instances of damage depending on your pdef and his p.atk as I mentioned earlier.
HK's skill last 5 mins and it has almost 100% chance to reflect here so when fighting a HK do not use skills that deal direct dmg. You can use bleed and bluff + all the debuffs. Still between the ToD and all the other skills it's almost impossible to kill a decent HK in oly, but hey welcome to toxic ;D.
GH's skill last 10 sec and works just like HK's skill.
And now the award for the most OP skill goes to:
Doombringer's skill return ANY instance of direct damage. Meaning that you can't even use normal attacks. Else you risk dealing 100 dmg and being reflected with 2k (you can literally lose a match in 2 second + sometimes the animation for casting 'eye for an eye' is cancelled so you don't see it and... well... gg xD).
Just as a side remark: even if I would like to have some things changed, I don't mind them the way they are. Who am I to speak anyway? A noob GH no? So don't take it personally when I say 2 out of the 3 mentioned skills are OP (leaving just my skill to be 'balanced' xD). I just want to explain to the poor soul how thing work here on l2toxic. Good luck Yosuf
If you attack salvatore (noob tank btw xD) with any skill like deadly blow that deals direct damage there is a chance to get a reflect (here it's VERY imbalanced I have never seen a server where reflect is 100% even in backstabs but w/e). In that moment you receive 2 or 3 instances of damage depending on your pdef and his p.atk as I mentioned earlier.
HK's skill last 5 mins and it has almost 100% chance to reflect here so when fighting a HK do not use skills that deal direct dmg. You can use bleed and bluff + all the debuffs. Still between the ToD and all the other skills it's almost impossible to kill a decent HK in oly, but hey welcome to toxic ;D.
GH's skill last 10 sec and works just like HK's skill.
And now the award for the most OP skill goes to:
Doombringer's skill return ANY instance of direct damage. Meaning that you can't even use normal attacks. Else you risk dealing 100 dmg and being reflected with 2k (you can literally lose a match in 2 second + sometimes the animation for casting 'eye for an eye' is cancelled so you don't see it and... well... gg xD).
Just as a side remark: even if I would like to have some things changed, I don't mind them the way they are. Who am I to speak anyway? A noob GH no? So don't take it personally when I say 2 out of the 3 mentioned skills are OP (leaving just my skill to be 'balanced' xD). I just want to explain to the poor soul how thing work here on l2toxic. Good luck Yosuf
Well hate to break it to you vigoss but 90% of what u just said is actually rubbish, and not cuz i'm trying to flame but simply because after everything u said it clearly shows your poor knowledge about L2 cuz 9/10 of the skills u just mentioned don't work the way you stated above
And you, whoever you are, just wrote 2 and a half lines to say that he is wrong, without giving any clues to the subject of discussion. A rather useless comment..
On topic, the rogue's counterattack either works completely differently that the knight's one, or the coefficient's are not weighing damage that is done that much. This "your p.def and his p.atk" seems really valid because i (gh) counter to dagger classes around 2 x 1k damage, regardless of the damage dont to me, varying from 1k to 5k. The fact that the damage you do is irrelevant is shown by the second backstab in the screen which actually dealt no damage but still got large amount of reflect. So yes, tanks with usually high p atk (also kamaels have high p/atk, don' they?) counter large amounts of damage, and daggers with usually low p atk do not. +1 to Magic
On topic, the rogue's counterattack either works completely differently that the knight's one, or the coefficient's are not weighing damage that is done that much. This "your p.def and his p.atk" seems really valid because i (gh) counter to dagger classes around 2 x 1k damage, regardless of the damage dont to me, varying from 1k to 5k. The fact that the damage you do is irrelevant is shown by the second backstab in the screen which actually dealt no damage but still got large amount of reflect. So yes, tanks with usually high p atk (also kamaels have high p/atk, don' they?) counter large amounts of damage, and daggers with usually low p atk do not. +1 to Magic
You are right on that regard Yosuf... the damage you deal has nothing to do with the amount you get reflected. And of course I am not 100% sure of the formula for how much you get hit, but the mechanics should be correct.
And don't mind 'snekoner', I think he is secretly the grinch! xD
And don't mind 'snekoner', I think he is secretly the grinch! xD
this is for you 2 useless lard asses
First of all HK's reflect is not 100% reflect all the time, Secondly HK's reflect is not the same as GH because HK's reflect 200% damage front-damage and 300% if it's a back-way damage same goes for doombringers with the exception that doombringers are able to reflect 200% short-standard damage as well these 3 skills work completely different to each other from counter-attack to eye for eye to HK's shield of revenge and it doesn't really take a genius to know this stuff u can even know it by making a DA and reading the all the skills description or by simply watching videos , hell even looking on google works too there are many places where u can find how all these FORMULAS work
First of all HK's reflect is not 100% reflect all the time, Secondly HK's reflect is not the same as GH because HK's reflect 200% damage front-damage and 300% if it's a back-way damage same goes for doombringers with the exception that doombringers are able to reflect 200% short-standard damage as well these 3 skills work completely different to each other from counter-attack to eye for eye to HK's shield of revenge and it doesn't really take a genius to know this stuff u can even know it by making a DA and reading the all the skills description or by simply watching videos , hell even looking on google works too there are many places where u can find how all these FORMULAS work
Hmmm i bet it doesnt take a genius but i am way too dumb to understand from all the videos and google. What 200% 300% you talk about, i hit for 0 damage and he returned 1035+1035=2070. And also show me that interesting place where you can see how ALL THESE formulas work, cause i always had the idea they were mystries hidden in deep in the game code, and all players could do is create multi-page long threads in forum trying to figure them out, almost always to no avail.
I am with Magic on this, and i am thinking something like: Damage returned = X*(target p.atk) / Y*(your p.def) & Q*(some other crap) + Z*(damage dealt) .
Ofcourse, i have no idea why you get damage 2 times...and '&' is '/' either '+' or '-' or '*'.
I am with Magic on this, and i am thinking something like: Damage returned = X*(target p.atk) / Y*(your p.def) & Q*(some other crap) + Z*(damage dealt) .
Ofcourse, i have no idea why you get damage 2 times...and '&' is '/' either '+' or '-' or '*'.
Ok so let me make a short summary of what u said idez:
/useless flame
/skills are different
/HK's reflect is not 100% chance... agree and I already said it (although it's TOO DAMN HIGH xD)
/HK's reflect dmg differs depending on front/back damage... maybe (but why are you making such a point out of this? :-/)
/skills are different
/Doombringer's skill reflects normall attacks (we already said this)
/skills are different
/named the skills (gz bro!)
/skills are different
/useless comment
/useless comment
And what are you blabbering about 200% and 300% when HERE you get reflected a fixed amount no matter what damage you cause?... Also don't tell us stupid stuff like making a HK and reading the descriptions of skills. Roflmao this game is made by Koreans; half of what's written in any description is either imprecise or has nothing to do with the real thing in the first place.
And might I add an extra factor: most of the stuff you can google or read in forums is #1. from a different chronicle and #2. from official. Here skills have been reshuffled and 'balanced' 1000x times over. So in the end believe what you want.
I think Yosuf's 'formula' is correct, be it very loose. Anyway man if you care about this, we can arrange some tests one day xD
Peace!
/useless flame
/skills are different
/HK's reflect is not 100% chance... agree and I already said it (although it's TOO DAMN HIGH xD)
/HK's reflect dmg differs depending on front/back damage... maybe (but why are you making such a point out of this? :-/)
/skills are different
/Doombringer's skill reflects normall attacks (we already said this)
/skills are different
/named the skills (gz bro!)
/skills are different
/useless comment
/useless comment
And what are you blabbering about 200% and 300% when HERE you get reflected a fixed amount no matter what damage you cause?... Also don't tell us stupid stuff like making a HK and reading the descriptions of skills. Roflmao this game is made by Koreans; half of what's written in any description is either imprecise or has nothing to do with the real thing in the first place.
And might I add an extra factor: most of the stuff you can google or read in forums is #1. from a different chronicle and #2. from official. Here skills have been reshuffled and 'balanced' 1000x times over. So in the end believe what you want.
I think Yosuf's 'formula' is correct, be it very loose. Anyway man if you care about this, we can arrange some tests one day xD
Peace!
always the same vigos omg illuminati never change
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u just never use common sense? dez's explanation was more than enough for any new player to figure out how all these skills work use ur brain cells man come on
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u just never use common sense? dez's explanation was more than enough for any new player to figure out how all these skills work use ur brain cells man come on
ok Jose!, let's test your formula, if you say that is 200% 300% answer me this:
I go to a HK that has his skill activated, and do "0" damage(normal hit & skill): how much damage I get in return?
Here is the formula for reflect:
How awesome is that ?!?!?!?!? How does that happen actually ? Anyone able to explain ?
[1189*(P.Atk of "B") / (P.Def of "A")]*2
Player "B" = Player using Reflect
Player "A" = Player using Attack
Same for all reflects, does not matter if player uses element, soulshots, does not matter how much damage. Anyone can test this easily and formula works every time.
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The formula came from DiegoVargas. If you don't know who DiegoVargas is, he was a Lineage 2 Retail player who analyzed every little piece of data related to Lineage 2. He could have written a book.
I will post some other interesting and useful stuff in the guides section for you all to discuss
I will post some other interesting and useful stuff in the guides section for you all to discuss
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